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yet the economy is -- the real economy is trading somewhat off its highs. if you look at europe, for example, where the headlines have been negative. the news flow has been awful. performance has been awful as well. so the market in europe has more reflected the performance of the real economy than it has here in the u.s. the fed qe program, the safe haven of the u.s. has caused money to flow to this part of the world. i think that leaves the u.s. a little pricier and perhaps more of a risk. >> it takes courage to fight the fed, though, right? >> absolutely. but ultimately and jack said it, fundamentals do matter. i think the market will reflect those. >> i heard active management does better in down markets than the index. they do better in the up markets. >> no question about it. and if you looked at the '08 to first quarter of '09 period, many people left them, haven't come back. god forbid we have another experience like that. then you'll see the index funds have a hard time recapturing the momentum. >> you see a blend of active and passive? >> i think
yet the economy is -- the real economy is trading somewhat off its highs. if you look at europe, for example, where the headlines have been negative. the news flow has been awful. performance has been awful as well. so the market in europe has more reflected the performance of the real economy than it has here in the u.s. the fed qe program, the safe haven of the u.s. has caused money to flow to this part of the world. i think that leaves the u.s. a little pricier and perhaps more of a risk....
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economy questioned, that kind of drop in confidence has the potential to create the next financial collapse. of course, so does unchecked runaway spending. so, it seems clear, neither is a good option. it's hope washington realizes this. quick check on the markets and it was a mixed day. the dow jones up 18 points. nasdaq down 8. s&p 500 down 1.37 points. the real stock of the day was dell. it is higher today on reports that it is in talks over a possible buyout by private equity firms. take a look. the stock rallied almost 13%. that will do it for us. thank you for being with us. hope you'll follow me on twitter and google plus. stay with cnbc, because "fast money" begins right now. >>> live from the nasdaq market site in new york city's times square. i'm melissa lee. sour apples. shares of the iphone maker slide. is apple turning into forbidden fruit? the mystery event. what facebook could be unveiling in less than 24 hours. we're in countdown mode with one of its biggest investors. and the great rotation into stocks heating up. we get the likely impact. first, our top story. apple shares
economy questioned, that kind of drop in confidence has the potential to create the next financial collapse. of course, so does unchecked runaway spending. so, it seems clear, neither is a good option. it's hope washington realizes this. quick check on the markets and it was a mixed day. the dow jones up 18 points. nasdaq down 8. s&p 500 down 1.37 points. the real stock of the day was dell. it is higher today on reports that it is in talks over a possible buyout by private equity firms....
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it's about the health of our neighborhoods and our economy. it's about the health of our schools, and our school children, and our communities and the health of our neighbors. mayor bloomberg, the people of new york have seen is an effective, results oriented mayor, one of the most effective results oriented mayors ever to serve new york, or dare i say, any city. creating jobs, expanding opportunity, improving city schools, launching america's largest affordable housing initiative. quite honestly, everything they do in new york and said to be the largest initiative, but i should say also largest and one of the most innovative affordable housing initiatives. and also fighting crime. really showing us that the people of new york have shown the people of baltimore that it is possible to make a safer tomorrow, that we do not have to resign ourselves to the circumstances of the way things have always been, or what we have never been able to do in the past. and, in fact, we can save lives, and each life is precious. each life is important, and if yo
it's about the health of our neighborhoods and our economy. it's about the health of our schools, and our school children, and our communities and the health of our neighbors. mayor bloomberg, the people of new york have seen is an effective, results oriented mayor, one of the most effective results oriented mayors ever to serve new york, or dare i say, any city. creating jobs, expanding opportunity, improving city schools, launching america's largest affordable housing initiative. quite...
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is this going to impact the broad economy in the earning season, do you think? >> i guess this whole political thing is these are all the bricks in the wall of worry that equity markets are continuing to climb. you know, we know how to talk about these things, they're out there, in the media a lot. we follow them sometimes like a sport. maybe we exaggerate a little bit how much these political match nations, i don't want to minimize them but i think sometimes we miss the point that there are really good companies out there who figured out how to make really good money with all of this political noise going on. >> and yet, greg, so many potholes ahead. you know we're going to see a lot of back and forth over raising the debt ceiling, sequestration is still on the horizon now. less than two months away. the continuing resolution. i want you to take a listen to the president's spokesperson this week on the debt ceiling and get your reaction to that. >> sure. >> he will not negotiate with congress when it comes to the essential responsibility of congress to pay the
is this going to impact the broad economy in the earning season, do you think? >> i guess this whole political thing is these are all the bricks in the wall of worry that equity markets are continuing to climb. you know, we know how to talk about these things, they're out there, in the media a lot. we follow them sometimes like a sport. maybe we exaggerate a little bit how much these political match nations, i don't want to minimize them but i think sometimes we miss the point that there...
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it would be a self-inflicted wound on the economy. it would slow down our growth, might tip us into recession, and ironically, would probably increase our deficit. so even entertain the idea of this happening, of the united states of america not paying its bills, is irresponsible. it's absurd. as the speaker said two years ago, it would be, and i'm quoting, speaker boehner now, a finance ral disaster not only for us but for the worldwide economy. so we've got to pay our bills. and republicans in congress have two choices here. they can act responsibly and pay america's bills, or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they better choose quickly because time is running short. the last time republicans in congress even flirted with this idea our aaa credit
it would be a self-inflicted wound on the economy. it would slow down our growth, might tip us into recession, and ironically, would probably increase our deficit. so even entertain the idea of this happening, of the united states of america not paying its bills, is irresponsible. it's absurd. as the speaker said two years ago, it would be, and i'm quoting, speaker boehner now, a finance ral disaster not only for us but for the worldwide economy. so we've got to pay our bills. and republicans...
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economy. so guess what? the stock market is up as the consensus earnings estimate has come down. and so the bear aurchlt lacks an intellectual continuity where they were right on the earnings estimates come down, but they've goes to explain. so you think the as specs further identity are improving as we got past the tax cliff. we're going to get past the spending clip in an ugly way. you have to depend on washington, d.c. to give you some banana republic action before we get to the middle of 2013. but in the middle of 2013, we'll know what all of the rules are. and i think the capital spending orders are going to come back and reinforce the housing improvement that you described as well as a pretty good auto market. >> we are talking all day today because everybody got their paycheck and it is definitely smaller. it's always smaller t beginning of the year. but is there any way that there is a headwind from people just not having as much money? >> yes, there's a headwind for the economy and we
economy. so guess what? the stock market is up as the consensus earnings estimate has come down. and so the bear aurchlt lacks an intellectual continuity where they were right on the earnings estimates come down, but they've goes to explain. so you think the as specs further identity are improving as we got past the tax cliff. we're going to get past the spending clip in an ugly way. you have to depend on washington, d.c. to give you some banana republic action before we get to the middle of...
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but they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. >> also, need to tell you the president did speak about his gun violence effort. he's had the package put together by the vice president is on his desk today. and he will talk about it a little later on this week. want to bring in two people here, ali velshi with me from new york, and gloria borger there in our nation's capital, to you both welcome. ali, it has been more than a year since that whole previous debt limit debacle. and i know you are saying, especially comparing this to what we just saw on new year's day with the fiscal cliff, this is going to be much, much worse, much bigger deal. talk to me about what we're debating or as the president puts it not debating? >> what we're debating or not debating is the idea that the debt ceiling in the united states is a very unusual tool, only one other country has it. and it is because what used to happen is whenever the government needed to spend money, particularly when you're in a deficit, the treasury of the united states would ha
but they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. >> also, need to tell you the president did speak about his gun violence effort. he's had the package put together by the vice president is on his desk today. and he will talk about it a little later on this week. want to bring in two people here, ali velshi with me from new york, and gloria borger there in our nation's capital, to you both welcome. ali, it has been more than a year since that whole...